can you walk in faith outside of the church?

Surprisingly, some people seem to think that its necessary to be employed by a church in order to truly "walk in faith".
 
Consider the church employee with a pension, secure long-term employment prospects and perhaps even with accommodation in the package.

 Consider the volunteer at church events, normally works shifts as a cleaner without a pension (an estimate 7-8m people in the UK have no pension savings), scant job security and future of state benefits on a council estate.

 I wonder who has more faith, the thing which we're told pleases God most? (Hebrew 11:6)

 In heaven, "there will be surprises" (CS Lewis)

 or, in my words,

 "its a dreadful mistake to ever look down on those who help out at Church, even when they seem annoying, broken or time consuming, because one day they might be looking down at you"

 or, in the best words,

 "many of the first will be last"

 If you work for the church in a professional capacity, please consider yourself thoroughly affirmed, and if you're an amateur like me, be very encouraged.


I hope that, on the day that's to come, none of us will be surprised.
 
I'm not entirely sure what you're getting at here...do you have something against people working for the church?
I'm a bit confused by this too - what makes you think that "some people seem to think that its necessary to be employed by a church in order to truly "walk in faith".

Has someone actually told you this? If so, I think it's a serious mistake to think it is a commonly held belief.

I'm also not sure that a volunteer has more faith or "favour" with God just because they are volunteering rather than employed. On what are you basing that?
I also think you need to be a bit careful by saying things like Consider the church employee with a pension, secure long-term employment prospects and perhaps even with accommodation in the package.

My time at HTB was full of prayer meetings praying for donations so we could be paid at the end of the month. I didn't get accommodation, and had to pay London rent rates on top of a charity salary, and pension only kicked in after 2 years service.

Up here in Yorkshire, our friend who is employed by the church has a nominal salary, has to pay rent, and has no pension.

I also think you need to be very very careful about suggesting people who work for the church don't volunteer. Although HTB employed me 9.30-5.30, I was there at least 3 nights a week in a voluntary capacity and for at least 6 hours on a Sunday as part of the voluntary worship team. I would say that on an average week, I put in at least 20 hours of voluntary work.

Being a Christian isn't a job - it's a vocation - and I believe that NO MATTER where you are employed your calling is to further the Kingdom of God in whatever way you can. It's a mindset - and you're either all for it or not at all, in my book.

vics - i think we're in agreement for the most part.

i love the church (employed and otherwise)

sometimes i want to love the church, sometimes i choose to love the church and sometimes i'm commanded to love the church (john 15)

if you're diligent to look for a reason to be offended, you'll always find at least one;
similarly if you're diligent to look for wisdom, you're guaranteed to find her too.

the message of this post was simply: 

1)i wonder, does God see me like i see myself? 
2)some people have to endure a lot more than others
3)best not to look down on anyone really, even when sorely tempted

caz - i don't think its a majority view (thank goodness) but its something i've discerned on more than one occasion, which is too many.

its certainly not wise to spend time judging or articulating views on the faithfulness of specific individuals;

it is wise to reflect on personal conduct; sometimes i even listen what trusted friends have to say on the subject :) 

if anyone wanted to see a slanging match, you came to the wrong blog.

I certainly didn't want to see a slanging match, nor was I looking for a reason to be offended. I was merely seeking clarification on what you were saying because I didn't quite get it.
Ditto.

Much of what you wrote was open to misinterpretation, Michael. It's not difficult to see why a church employee would be offended paragraphs 2-4.