God of Destruction?

I like it when things make sense. I need to understand. And I realise that in this world we need to have faith to live, and faith to realise truth.
However, sometimes I look at the Bible, and what I read makes me do a double take.
Most recently this has come up in the context of the topic of "Destruction".

We serve a God of Love.
The Cross is all about Jesus coming to us, shouldering our burden, our sin, our shame... before we even knew him.
Forgiveness. Fullstop.
Jesus tells the story of the Prodigal Son (Or the Running Father), about how one who has done so much wrong and caused so much hurt is welcomed back "even while he was still far off".

I don't need to stress this any more: Its so deeply ingrained into our church culture. God LOVES us. God is MERCIFUL. God forgives.
God redeems. He doesn't destroy. He's just, not arbitrary.
He's Good.

And then. And then I read some passages that make me do a double take:

1) Judges 11 (especially v. 30-40). Jephthah vows to God that he will sacrifice whatever comes out of the door of his house If God hands over the Ammonites to him. And when he returns home, it is his daughter that comes out of the door of his house. And he sacrifices her.
To God.

A number of things don't sit well with me regarding this passage. Quite apart from the old chestnut of justifying the Israelites slaughtering the neighbouring peoples... here we have a man chosen by God who prays to God to show him the right sacrifice.
And... impliedly... that sacrifice is his only daughter.
And he does this.

Does this illustrate a God who approves of human sacrifice?

Why does God do this to him? Its not a Abraham situation - because Abraham was spared having to sacrifice his Son. He needed only to demonstrate his faith. Also, in Abraham, such faith was necessary. He was to become the father of a great people. He needed to be shown worth.
Jephthah is just a judge. Just a man.
Why? Why is this necessary? And... how does this square with a God of love, compassion, and redemption?

2) Matthew 21: 18-21; Mark 11:20-25. Jesus kills a fig tree. Yes. To demonstrate his power. But, he's done this many times already. Why does he kill, and why in such a seemingly arbitrary act?

These two passages link in with a series of passages in both the Old and New Testament where God Destroys. And, often he seems to Destroy even where there seems to be a chance for future redemption. No second chance is given. No warning.

In many situations a second chance *is* given... or the completely depraved nature of those destroyed is emphasised, as in the case of the flood, Sodom and Gommorrah and Lot's wife. Often the Wrath of God falls only after many warnings have been given (The example of the Pharoh being a perfect example... though again, we see God's destructive aspect in the killing of all the first born of Egypt... many of whom must have been innocents). We can accept God's favouring of the Israelites as his chosen people over the other peoples who they slaughter - he needs them to be an example. He needs them to be undefeatable. They are going to be a testament to who he is. They are going to be the vessel through which his Messiah comes to redeem the world.

But all through this, there is this undertone of destruction. We find it even in the Deuteronomical Laws - where the Israelites believed that destroying something gave it to God.

We see it in the New Testament too. The Fig tree example has already been given. But later on, in Acts, we see Annias and Saphira. Struck dead for lying. No second chance. Just dead.

The church today - especially the seeker-friendly aspects of it - don't seem to deal with this much. Understandably perhaps. A God of destruction is not very attractive. It's also tough to reconcile with a God of Redemption and Love.

But they're both there in the Bible.
Love.
Mercy.
Destruction.
Justice.
... and Reasons I can't Understand...

We can't reduce away the destructive/seemingly arbitrary facets of God any more than we can cut the Loving, Merciful aspects of God from Christianity.

But this confuses me. And disturbs me.

How is a God of love and redemption, of infinite power and patience, also a God who destroys?
Especially when "Love never fails"?

Why would such a God demand that one kill his daughter. He loves the daughter. He loves the man. I cant see why either the pain or the death were necessary here.

I'm spending a lot of time thinking about it.
And I don't have any answers yet.

Do you?
We can't reduce away the destructive/seemingly arbitrary facets of God any more than we can cut the Loving, Merciful aspects of God from Christianity.

But this confuses me. And disturbs me.

Indeed - And actually you havn't even scratched the surface.

I think Jesus and the fig tree is a red herring. It's probably symbolic of the cutting-off of Old Israel.
 
About the OT - yes a lot is brutal.

But remember, these things were only shadows, the reality and supreme revelation of God is in Christ. He is the image of the invisible God ... God was pleased to have all his fullness in him...
One thing as Christians we don't seem to comprehend is the value of sin. God created everything to display his glory, show him for what he is, an awesome, amazing, loving God. When we rejected him, we ceased to fullfil this purpose. It is actually worse than that, because we are not only failing to show his glory, but we are undervaluing him or showing him not to exist at all. If we are failing to glorify him, then we are failing in our primary purpose. If we have no purpose then there is no reason to live. The flood and various other examples in the OT show what God does when we have no purpose, he removes us so we can no longer expell the lies about who God is. That is why the punishment for sin is death. The OT is pretty brutal, but just remember, all of creation deserved to die, but God chose to save one group, the Jews. Why? So Christ could come into the world to save us from that punishment, and allow us to reveal his glory again, fulfilling our ultimate purpose.
I agree that I've only just scratched the surface.

This Jephthah thing I found some answers for online after I posted... but I decided to refrain from editing because I think the issue is still relevant.

I think you're right Smiffy, that the true revelation of God is in Jesus... I'm just trying to understand more about who he is. And where this destruction aspect... and seeming brutality fits with all that I know of him already.

I agree, gazdunn, about us not realising the weight of sin - modern society is all about us having done nothing wrong... and being the "victims". However, why would God destroy when he could redeem? We've seen him change the heart of man... we know that he can... why does he destroy then, especially those who (maybe to our eyes) are still within reach of redemption?

All creation deserved to die. But God died instead. That is his nature... because he is good and loving.
But... how does that fit with these acts of destruction we see.
He died to save creation. But we also see him causing creation to die. Why does he choose to do so on these occasions and not others?

James
Gosh, I’m trying to find my old bibletrack notes on this … now is when I wish I had kept them all organised in one place!! Doh! Oh well. Here’re my two pennies worth anyway (sorry it's so long!!).

I think it’s really important to remember the Bible as one whole book, and that everything in it points to Jesus and the Kingdom of God, everything from the OT to the NT.

I always see those times when God seems to allow sacrifice and suffering as Him trying to speak to us about getting back to a relationship with Him; as Him finding a way of communicating to the people at that time who were obviously NOT listening to Him and were repeatedly making the same mistakes generation after generation. His children that he loved and created were going nuts and doing some obscene things! If I were in His position and new what was to come for them, I’d wanna find a way of getting through to them, find a way to save them from their own destruction, to show them what they could really have and what would fulfil the deepest desires of their hearts.

God is not a God who just sits up there apart from us and watches over what we do, and waits for the final judgement to come before He tells us that we were on the wrong path all along. We can see He’s a God that gets stuck in to the here and now, He gets dirty and joins us in the middle of all this mess we create. He knows us best and He knows what is best for us, so I just see Him in amongst all that mess trying to find ways to get through to our thick skulls that He is the answer.

Let’s go with my theory and say God chose to get rid of those people to teach those around them something and to teach those of us today something … we’d never learn some valuable lessons if He hadn’t done that! I thank God He did.

This was a something I heard and seems to makes sense: The fig tree was a symbol in the OT of Israel, so when Jesus cursed it He was showing that Israel had failed to produce what God had asked of it (which was to bear fruit for the rest of the world I think? Tell me if I’m wrong please!). He’s saying the current regime of Israel’s days are numbered.

God shows He is a creator and a destroyer in the bible, and I think it's fair enough since it's His world after all and He created it. I'm never gonna understand Him fully, I just have to have faith that He does these things because He knows what is right and He has a far bigger and better idea of what's going on than I do.

p.s. I see everyone else doing it, so I do it ... but why do we put He with a capital H when we're talking about God?
Hi James,

Why would God destroy when he could redeem?
Perhaps God was waiting for us to use our free will and initiative to come back to him. If we return to Him out of our own choice, then He does welcome us in with open arms. But as Smiffy reminded us, the punishment for sin is death. If we don't turn back to Him, He will ultimately punish us with death and banishment to Hell. Heaven is real, and therefore Hell must be also, if God is a just God.

I am sure that He does not truly wish to send us there, to Hell. He made us with His own hands. I think God created the concept and practice of parenthood so that we would have a model, and therefore a better understanding, of His paternal (and maternal) love and care for us. Should a parent punish their child if they are rude or do something bad? Of course (within reason)! Won't God do the same with His children to teach them right from wrong? Yes, I believe so. God is not just 'a' father, He is The Father, and there is no one else who has more powerful authority over Him. He decides.

But - God is a good judge. We as people make many mistakes, and God accounts for those, and decided to forgive us for them. We are blessed by God if we are and do and speak in Him.

Keep praying for the ones who aren't there yet...

Jen
This may be a cop out, but the two verses I have to go back to when I wrestle with this stuff myself are:

Isaiah 55:8-9, "For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways," declares the LORD. "As the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts."

Exodus 33:19b, "I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion."

But I hate that response because I want it to make sense. I want to understand why. It feels very much like a parent saying, "Because I said so." It's hard to remember, and my ego doesn't appreciate it, that because I am finite in this world, there is no way I am going to be able to explain and/or understand everything of God. I don't know many people who embrace the mystery of God for all it means--the good and the bad--very well. We tend to want a much more practical God; a God that makes sense.

I've always been told to try to understand scripture in light of the verses that are clear. I John says God is love so if that's true and sin deserves death like Romans says, I have to try to understand the destroying acts in light of those ideas. And I'm with you James, I don't like what it implies about God but it also reminds me regularly that I am not God and maybe that's what my ego hates the most.

I think churches are amiss in not giving proper attention to this side of God; to the things in the OT that are hard to stomach. Like others have already said, a lot of the OT underscores how repugnant and destructive sin is and that a holy God cannot tolerate any sin in His presence. Seeking to understand the OT is actually pretty key to understanding the NT.

Oswald Chambers says that there is nothing miraculous about the things we can understand; that we command that which we can explain and understand. It's natural to seek explanation but it's not natural to obey despite the things that may offend our common sense and rational mind. 

P.S. Ray, the whole He vs. he, I can't speak for why others do it, but to me it just seems more fitting since we would write God vs. god when we're talking about the God of the Bible. However, it's a personal choice as the Bible I study doesn't capitalize "he" when it refers to God or Jesus. I guess I see it as some form of respect and a way of differentiating.
thanks jennifer! I was seeing it as a respect thing but then sometimes I forget to put a capital and started to worry I might be seen as not respectful ;) doh, i shouldn't care what people think i kno! You're right it does seem more fitting too when we write God with a G. thanks so much!
Atheists often point to the OT and point out all the bits where God isn't as nice as we would like him to be (by our faulty standards of niceness). Even if God wasn't nice then he would still be God. It is a bonus that God is so loving and forgiving, doesn't have to be.

He doesn't promise to be nice, just loving, good, and just. There is a difference. We can expect to understand why God does things at the time as we can't see the bigger picture.
(just thinking out loud here...)

One day God appeared to me in a vision - a vision that inspired the title of my blog: Infinite Storm. It left me a little confused for a while - because perhaps I expected God to be the infinite fluffy-rabbit, infinite bundle of love, or whatever.

Maybe He is those things - but actually I rather like the image of God as a Storm. What He has created He can tear down - and one day will! God can rip through the place with an awesome power we cannot possibly comprehend. From a gentle breeze whispering in the trees, to a hurricane flattening forests -  that is God. A God to respect, a God to fear, a God to take seriously.

As gazdunn points out, He is a God of love, but if He can express infinite-love, surely He can express infinite-anger?

We can only be thankful, then, that He is perfectly Just.
Ray - on the use of capitalisation....  God is not a person - therefore not really a 'he' or a 'she' even though it is convenient to reference God in that way. We are thus using 'he' as a proper noun - a name - for God, rather than a pronoun. All proper nouns are capitalised.

It's a bit similar to the reason we capitalise "I" for referring to oneself, or "We" for oneself in the sense of 'the royal We'.

HTH, nik